Moving Up the Scale to Get Out of Debt

What if climbing out of debt wasn’t just about crunching numbers, but about climbing an emotional scale? In this episode of Believer vs. Skeptic, Jennifer and Sharon debate whether your vibe can really change your financial life—or if it just comes down to picking up the phone and negotiating your interest rate.

From fear to frustration, hope to empowerment, we’ll explore how shifting mindsets (or “vibrations,” depending on which camp you’re in) can turn those dreaded bills into stepping stones toward freedom. Whether you believe the universe is conspiring to help you, or you’re just here for some practical brain hacks, this episode will show you how to move up the scale—and finally, out of debt.